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2010-10-15

More Jig Making & Making the Rosette


Making the neck jig

I was concentrating in making the neck jig which I copied design from David LaPlante's neck jig.
(He is a US luthier who knows a lot about Martin guitars and other historic guitars like Torres, Hernando Y Aguado... and has attended the famous Sigüenza Romanillos Guitar Making Course)
It will help to saw the side slots at the correct angle 95 degree.
Originally I plan to use all pine material for the jig but to get the correct angle the pine isn't easy to plane.
In the end I use an extra Sapele heel block which I got from LMI.
Sapele is heavy but being quartered sawn, the planing part is easier.
Pine usually is laden with knots making the planing hard.

I use a piece of 2mm shim to change the angle of the sides (joint part) on the shootboard.
Then I measure the angle using my protractor.
When I hit the 95 degrees mark I mark the position of the shim on the shooting board.
Then I proceed to plane the angles on both pieces of the Sapele

After I got the angles correct, I proceed to cut the middle window.
The top and bottom cuts is easy, just need to use the ryoba.
But the side cuts is rather hard... I need to drill some holes and use the coping saw to cut.
The coping saw didn't fare to well with dense Sapele material.
After cutting I use my paring chisel to straight the cut.
I realised this is a good practice for cutting the tuner slots in the neck.
It's the same material and similar process.

Finally to the glue up phase.



Planing the angle into the block.


Gluing up the 2 pieces together


Chiselling the excess in the base, after cutting the slots using the ryoba.
This is to match the angle in the frame.


The assembly before the glue-up


Can see the angle here clearly


Gluing the frame to the base.



Clamping all the parts together



Cutting the heel slots



New block plane
I got a new block plane, a Stanley new premium low angle block plane
I use it to cut end grain and it works like a charm
The iron is as thick as my IBC upgrade for my normal Stanley block plane.
Originally I did consider to get a normal low angle block plane and upgrade the iron.
But the difference in price is only a bit.
The new premium block plane cost me about 70+ USD sold at the Amazon and the other option cost also about 60+.
Also the design of the new block plane looks more comfortable.
The old design has a tightening lever which will make the palm uncomfortable.

Here are some pics of the 2 planes side by side.


The side view. Can see the lower angle on the premium block plane (foreground)
The cap is also smoother and more comfortable to hold.


The iron and cap lever removed.
You can see the frog of the premium plane has more contact surface.
This is to reduce the chatter during planing.
Also the adjuster mechanism is the Norris style which act both as a depth adjuster and lateral adjuster.
The old plane has separate lever for both.


IBC iron (left) and Stanley SW premium iron. Both are A2 and cryo treated.


The thickness of the iron are same also @ 1/8" thick.


Close up of the frog.

Making the Rossette
I began to do the rosette.
I was thinking of doing a segmented rosette from the cut out of the back.
So I began to design the rosette on paper.
After that I measure the size needed for each segment and cut the tiles out.
Then using a reference piece to impart the correct angle, I began to shoot the sides of the tiles into the triangular segment.
The low angle block was handy here as some of the pieces I had to go against the grain, so it's like cutting an end grain.
Only on the final stroke, I change to a pull stroke to smoothen the slanted jointing edge.
Finally I assemble enough tiles to form a full rosette.
Halfway through, I thought of adding variety to the rosette pattern and so I added bloodwood tiles too.
Bloodwood is pretty brittle to planing them isn't as easy as IRW.


Cutting the rosette tiles


Rosette design


Test fitting


Planing the angle in the segmented tiles


Another view. A reference piece will ensure the angle is consistent


IRW and blood wood tiles


The rosette


Another view

The rosette on the plan. Originally I intend just to use Bloodwood (red) and IRW (brown) but in the end I decide to insert a basswood(white) in the sequence. This makes the rosette more interesting.

Gluing the rosette on the waxed paper

Final rosette blank. Need to trim the circle next.
But to do that I will need the circular jig which is next on the making list..

Making the tuner drill jig
Then I proceed to make the drill jig for the tuner hole.
I use the cut-off from making the neck jig and use a stainless steel tubing 12mm for the drill bushing.
First I mark the 3 tuner holes and locate the center of the holes
Then I drill the holes and enlarge it progressively.
The final size I used was a 12mm drill bit; just large enough for the tubing.
Then I saw the tubing and file away the rough edges.
Finally I insert the tubing into the hole but one hole wasn't aligned properly.
Maybe I should make another drill jig or alternatively just make use of the 2 holes and turn around for the other 2 holes when I use the jig...



Drilling the holes

Sawing the tubing

The tubing ready to be inserted into the hole.

The tuner in the jig

Another view

The hole on the extreme right was out of alignment...

Making the Rosette Circular Jig
Well to cut the rosette into the appropriate circle, I need to make the jig to allow the B&D RTX (Dremel equivalent) to route away the excess parts.
So I began making the circular jig for RTX.
I make it out of MDF which I have a lot of excess cut-off from making the solera.
Well I made some mistakes along the way but none too serious.
I tried to route a channel for the tightening nut using the RTX but it didn't have the power to route thru the MDF.
So I had resort to my laminate trimmer.
But well the channel was crooked...

Anyway I discovered that MDF doesn't glue well except for large surfaces; so everything had to be reinforced with screws and nuts.
I made the screw adjustment using a long bolt and a lock-nut.
Originally I used a M10 bolt but the lock-nut was a pain to turn...
So in the end I managed to find a long M6 nut and use that instead.
The other end is a T-nut embedded in a pine cut-off.
The pine block is glued and then screwed to the MDF base.

Also after assembling the 1st cut, I discover the adjustment distance was too short starting from 40mm onwards.
So I move the channel further in and make it start from 25mm onwards.

After readjustment it was ready to be used for the rosette.
Originally I intend to try it on a scrap but in the end I was lazy to search for a scrap.
I first did it on the MDF base and was it was working fine I tape the rosette to it and started routing.

Originally I had adjusted the full depth, but the RTX wasn't powerful enough so I had to go 3 passes.
It worked out quite nicely in the end.
The rosette broke off at 2 portion but it can be easily glued back.

After successfully routing the inner circle, I clean up the frayed edges with chisel.
Then I began to route the outer edges.
But I discover it's actually pretty hard to tape it down and so I use double-side tape for that purpose.
Unfortunately, the double-sided tape didn't hold the rosette well enough...
The rosette drifted when I route and I routed the arc into the rosette at some point for the 1st pass.
Now all I can do is to replace the segment.
I decide not to route the 2nd pass and use my low angle block to remove the excess instead.
It was definitely a setback after successfully routing the inner arc.
But well I am still learning...

The rosette circular jig.

End view

The adjustment screw using locked-nut

The center pin is using a broke off Dremel grinder.

Another view

The 2 nut to lock the adjust in place. 
A channel was routed to allow the nut to move freely and w/o affecting the routing surface.

A circular piece to hold the rosette in place while I tape it down.
The circular MDF is exactly the inner size of the rosette.

Ready to be routed.

A piece to support the jig when routing the rosette.

Routing the rosette.

The adjust is too deep. The RTX can't route thru' the rosette.

So I decide to do in a few pass (3 to be exact)

The route 1st pass..

The routed channel 1st pass

Finally remove the inner excess. Next the outer excess.



Routing the rosette.

Inner ring routed but outer ring mistake!!!

The rosette drifted and I routed into the rosette.

Here the rosette moved too. The double sided tape didn't do its job well...

4 comments:

Dave said...

Hi, loving your blog, thank you for taking the time to document your process.
I'm working on building a steel string guitar from a Stew Mac kit. I'm based in Singapore too, and having some difficulty finding some of the required tools.
Do you happen to know where I could get titebond original wood glue? I've been hunting high and low to no avail..

Dave said...

Hi, loving your blog, thank you for taking the time to document your process.
I'm working on building a steel string guitar from a Stew Mac kit. I'm based in Singapore too, and having some difficulty finding some of the required tools.
Do you happen to know where I could get titebond original wood glue? I've been hunting high and low to no avail..
Admittedly, I still haven't checked out Jalan Besar or Sungei Kadut areas (no car, so somewhat hard to get to), and I'm impatient to wait for deliver from StewMac or LMI..

Sen Goh said...

Hi DA,

I did tried in veil to get the Titebond Original In SG.
I don't think it's available here.
For my last guitar I did found a equivalent yellow glue, Elmer's probond which I got from Art Friends @ brash basah complex. But since then, I checked the last time, they stopped carrying those also.
Now I just use HHG from LMI which I got last time.
For you I guess you can either import Titebond or LMI white glue both of which are v good for instrument making.
Alternatively, you might want to try the Selley's white PVA glue.
IMO I use it for jig making, they adhere pretty well even w/o screw support for my jigs.

Sen Goh said...

For your info, I use the Selley's white PVA glue for gluing the fingerboard and the bindings.
So far it remain pretty strong.